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JUSTICE1st
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 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Cindy's Interview on VERDICT Too Short |
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I have to say I was rather disappointed with Cindy's interview on tonight's VERDICT program. Not in her or her attorney Allen Bloom, both of them were fine.
What bugged me was that Dan Abrams seemed far more focused on the trivia of the Presidential campaign than drawing attention to what Cindy was forced to endure because the DA's office screwed up. I didn't time the interview itself, but it seemed that was only ten minutes, possibly less, and for me, that just wasn't long enough. 
I certainly hope that DATELINE's interview with her will be a lot more detailed and ask some very hard questions about what the DA's office means when it says "the justice system worked as it was supposed to." Here's a question I would have loved a reporter to ask Bonnie Dumanis: "If it had been YOUR daughter, or YOUR sister that was wrongly convicted of a "crime" that NEVER HAPPENED because some tissue samples had been mysteriously "lost," and spent 876 days in jail as a result, would you be so quick to say 'the justice system worked?' " My guess, she would have ducked it. 
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Pia
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to ask her that same question.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Pia wrote: | | I would like to ask her that same question. |
It would be one that would really put her on the spot, and frankly, I think that's where she and the entire SD DA's office SHOULD be...on the spot, or to use a boxing analogy, "on the ropes." And that's why Dumanis would probably want to have a list of advance questions up front, so she decides which are the safest questions to answer. Not to mention getting more time to work on their spin. This way, she will carefully avoid being put on the spot.
That last press conference that I saw with Dumanis reminded me of those press conferences with President Bush; SCRIPTED, and it looked like she was reciting from a script that she almost had memorized. Of course, I could be off base there, and I probably am. Sometimes, my cynical nature gets the better of me.
I would have had a bit more respect for her and the SD DA's office if Dumanis had only admitted publicly that a terrible miscarriage of justice had occurred, they made very serious errors, and publicly apologized to Cindy directly. But she didn't do anything of the kind, so she doesn't get my respect. I have a strong feeling they've lost respect from a lot of other people too, which they deserve to lose.
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billpavelic
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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SaberGal, Justice1st, Pia and others
Over the past couple of months I had the pleasure of watching all of you argue for justice in the matter of Cynthia Sommer and the results could not be better. Kudos for a job well done. Your Uncensored Justice Forum does make a difference and justice can be attained when concerned citizens challenge the imperfect Criminal Justice System.
Respectfully,
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| billpavelic wrote: | SaberGal, Justice1st, Pia and others
Over the past couple of months I had the pleasure of watching all of you argue for justice in the matter of Cynthia Sommer and the results could not be better. Kudos for a job well done. Your Uncensored Justice Forum does make a difference and justice can be attained when concerned citizens challenge the imperfect Criminal Justice System.
Respectfully,
Bill Pavelic |
Bill, thank you!  Coming from you, this means a great deal. And I agree that having a forum like this one, where people can present both sides and be able to disagree politely yet respectfully on points, makes a big difference. I was honored when Saber invited me here back in December when this forum was first launched, and it's a pleasure and a privilege to contribute whatever I can now. Again, thanks.
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SaberGal
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| billpavelic wrote: | SaberGal, Justice1st, Pia and others
Over the past couple of months I had the pleasure of watching all of you argue for justice in the matter of Cynthia Sommer and the results could not be better. Kudos for a job well done. Your Uncensored Justice Forum does make a difference and justice can be attained when concerned citizens challenge the imperfect Criminal Justice System.
Respectfully,
Bill Pavelic |
Mr. Pavelic,
Thank you for your encouraging words - they mean more than you could possibly know.
YOU, sir, have been a source of great inspiration for me in wanting to fight the "imperfections" and corruption in our justice system - and to be a voice for the wrongfully convicted. So, thank you for leading by example!
SaberGal
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Pia
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Thank you Bill. That really means a lot, especially coming from you.
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billpavelic
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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SaberGal,
A producer from NBC Dateline informed me to watch tonights segment. She is a very talented lady and I have a feeling you will enjoy the show.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| billpavelic wrote: | SaberGal,
A producer from NBC Dateline informed me to watch tonights segment. She is a very talented lady and I have a feeling you will enjoy the show.
Bill |
Well, I know I did! Although watching the clip of LG going after Cindy again at her trial made me really mad, I feel much better knowing that Cindy is now free, and LG is probably spitting nails over her "lost" conviction. A conviction she never should have gotten in the first place, because as it turns out, there was NO EVIDENCE OF MURDER! (Sigh) I guess I haven't calmed down as much as I thought. Sorry. 
The narrator (Josh Mankiewicz, I believe?) said that Cindy is considering being an advocate for the wrongly convicted. Good for her! They need all the good advocates they can get from fellow citizens who can spot injustice when they see it, because it's obvious most politicians are not even willing to address this issue.
J
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SaberGal
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| JUSTICE1st wrote: | | billpavelic wrote: | SaberGal,
A producer from NBC Dateline informed me to watch tonights segment. She is a very talented lady and I have a feeling you will enjoy the show.
Bill |
Well, I know I did! Although watching the clip of LG going after Cindy again at her trial made me really mad, I feel much better knowing that Cindy is now free, and LG is probably spitting nails over her "lost" conviction. A conviction she never should have gotten in the first place, because as it turns out, there was NO EVIDENCE OF MURDER! (Sigh) I guess I haven't calmed down as much as I thought. Sorry.
The narrator (Josh Mankiewicz, I believe?) said that Cindy is considering being an advocate for the wrongly convicted. Good for her! They need all the good advocates they can get from fellow citizens who can spot injustice when they see it, because it's obvious most politicians are not even willing to address this issue.
J |
I enjoyed it also and found myself pretty angry at the whole situation - including an occasional dialogue with the TV screen when it came to the prosecutions "case." I found out that I hadn't calmed down as much as I thought I had either, Justice1st. But I think that is good - we shouldn't forget and forgive so quickly. I found myself the most angry when they aired Bonnie D's statement again that the system worked in this case - IMO, nothing could be farther from the truth. I assume since I haven't heard otherwise, that Laura Gunn is still hiding under the rock she crawled under and has yet to make an apology to Cynthia, her family, Todd's family, and to the good people of the state of California. She owes them all an apology but I don't expect that one will be forthcoming.
I do think that Cynthia will be a voice and advocate for the wrongly convicted. I think she has handled the entire situation with much more class than I could hope to under similar circumstances - and she has showed more self control than the DA's office deserves, IMO.
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JUSTICE1st
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| SaberGal wrote: | | JUSTICE1st wrote: | | billpavelic wrote: | SaberGal,
A producer from NBC Dateline informed me to watch tonights segment. She is a very talented lady and I have a feeling you will enjoy the show.
Bill |
Well, I know I did! Although watching the clip of LG going after Cindy again at her trial made me really mad, I feel much better knowing that Cindy is now free, and LG is probably spitting nails over her "lost" conviction. A conviction she never should have gotten in the first place, because as it turns out, there was NO EVIDENCE OF MURDER! (Sigh) I guess I haven't calmed down as much as I thought. Sorry.
The narrator (Josh Mankiewicz, I believe?) said that Cindy is considering being an advocate for the wrongly convicted. Good for her! They need all the good advocates they can get from fellow citizens who can spot injustice when they see it, because it's obvious most politicians are not even willing to address this issue.
J |
I enjoyed it also and found myself pretty angry at the whole situation - including an occasional dialogue with the TV screen when it came to the prosecutions "case." I found out that I hadn't calmed down as much as I thought I had either, Justice1st. But I think that is good - we shouldn't forget and forgive so quickly. I found myself the most angry when they aired Bonnie D's statement again that the system worked in this case - IMO, nothing could be farther from the truth. I assume since I haven't heard otherwise, that Laura Gunn is still hiding under the rock she crawled under and has yet to make an apology to Cynthia, her family, Todd's family, and to the good people of the state of California. She owes them all an apology but I don't expect that one will be forthcoming.
I do think that Cynthia will be a voice and advocate for the wrongly convicted. I think she has handled the entire situation with much more class than I could hope to under similar circumstances - and she has showed more self control than the DA's office deserves, IMO. |
LOL! I think I know what words that "occasional dialogue with the TV screen" consisted of. Were George Carlin's "seven dirty words" mixed in there somewhere? They were in mine! 
Saber, I agree; we SHOULD be angry whenever a massive injustice like this occurs. The reason is simple; when the police/prosecutors get sloppy (if it WAS only carelessness, which I'm also questioning), innocent people can and do get wrongfully convicted. Which means it could happen to me, you, or any one of our families or friends next!
I certainly look forward to Cindy speaking out more, and no one is better qualified to do this than one who HAS suffered the shattering and devastating experience of being wrongfully convicted. I'd love to see her join us here, but of course, that has to be HER decision.
Regarding what you said about LG hiding under a rock, my guess is she'll stay "hidden" indefinitely. To me, her behavior has been disgraceful. I'm still wondering, and so should a few others, how those original samples which were said to be "lost," ended up BEING "lost" to begin with. Who was directly responsible for them? What was the chain of custody, and where did it break down? It broke down SOMEWHERE, that's for sure!
J
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