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Pia
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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: Dateline NBC A Common Thread |
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If y'all get a chance read up on this. It is heartbreaking...There is a few more minutes left....Detective Dennis Delano in this case is my new hero...Dr. Michael Baden you should be ashamed of yourself!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25047818/
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Pia
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Surely people with law degrees have to be able to address and see that there's a flaw in the system. Something has to be done with the system. I don't know what. I just know something has to be changed.
Dennis Delano
Here are some links to the Dejac case.
http://www.topix.com/city/buffalo-ny/2008/02/prosecutors-drop-case-against-lynn-dejac
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=53043
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/nyregion/14strangle.html
I have lost respect for Michael Baden in this case. I believe the original ME.
Thank God this DA retired after the real killer was convicted. Only he wasn't convicted for Crystal Lynn's murder....and can never be tried for what he did to that little girl.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Dateline NBC A Common Thread |
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| Pia wrote: | If y'all get a chance read up on this. It is heartbreaking...There is a few more minutes left....Detective Dennis Delano in this case is my new hero...Dr. Michael Baden you should be ashamed of yourself!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25047818/ |
I'll be adding Det. Delano to my list of heroes. It's rare for a police detective to take on "the brass" and make sure justice is served. Shame on this D.A., who is just one more who can't bring himself to admit that a terrible miscarriage of justice happened.
And I agree with Det. Delano's statement that "people with law degrees should be able to figure out there is a flaw." Well, figuring it out is one thing, having the courage to admit it publicly is another. And too many DA's, who care more about advancing or maintaining their careers, refuse to show courage and admit that not only do flaws exist, but disasters like convictions of the wrong people (the innocent ones) happen more often than some in law enforcement want us (the public) to know.
As you said, Pia, SHAME on all of them. 
J 
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billpavelic
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Justice1st
Not knowing the case that Pia is citing...I can tell you that I have known Dr. Michael Baden for many years and done more than a few high profile cases with him. His reputation and professional opinions have been very sound. I do know that mistakes are made and years later what seems obvious today was unatainable in the past. Decisions and opinions are based on facts at hand and at that time of the incident. Nonetheless, I am interested in what Dr. Baden did to sink so low in your and Pia's opinion.
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JUSTICE1st
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| billpavelic wrote: | Justice1st
Not knowing the case that Pia is citing...I can tell you that I have known Dr. Michael Baden for many years and done more than a few high profile cases with him. His reputation and professional opinions have been very sound. I do know that mistakes are made and years later what seems obvious today was unatainable in the past. Decisions and opinions are based on facts at hand and at that time of the incident. Nonetheless, I am interested in what Dr. Baden did to sink so low in your and Pia's opinion.
Best.
Bill Pavelic |
I should have made myself clearer, and I'm very sorry for this error on my part. I was referring to the prosecutors only, and didn't clarify that point as well as I should have. I don't know much about Dr. Baden, nor of what his view was on any points in this case. Therefore, I cannot disagree with any points he may have mentioned, as I don't know what his views or testimony were.
My humblest apologies for possibly casting any aspersions on Dr. Baden. I'll try and be more specific in future posts. 
J
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Pia
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| billpavelic wrote: | Justice1st
Not knowing the case that Pia is citing...I can tell you that I have known Dr. Michael Baden for many years and done more than a few high profile cases with him. His reputation and professional opinions have been very sound. I do know that mistakes are made and years later what seems obvious today was unatainable in the past. Decisions and opinions are based on facts at hand and at that time of the incident. Nonetheless, I am interested in what Dr. Baden did to sink so low in your and Pia's opinion.
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Sorry I didn't notice this post sooner.
Since I first heard of Dr. Baden I have had a lot of respect for him. Even during his "a-ha moment" during the Spector trial. I even wrote to him about the Cynthia Sommer case.
What bothered me here in this case was him saying this little girl died of a drug overdose because of the frothing they found on her nose and mouth.
He didn't take into account the scene of her room, her injuries, the DNA of Donahue (accused person) that was found on her nor that there was only a "trace amount" of cocaine in her system, that wasn't enough to be fatal. He looked at the autopsy report more than 15 years later. I just don’t think he took into account all of the information that was available to him in this case and I think it was irresponsible of him to outright say that this little girl (who was found nude, and in the condition that she was found in), wasn’t murdered.
Donahue was convicted of killing one woman and accused of one other murder besides this little girl.
Maybe I am being a little harsh in saying I lost all respect for Dr. Baden because I do believe he knows very well what he is doing. I just don't agree with the way he handled this case nor with his opinion...with that said, I think the DA wanted an easy out for his screw-up in allowing this monster to have immunity in the case and when Dr. Baden said it wasn’t murder, Clark had his easy way out.
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