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OKplainsmom
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[quote="JUSTICE1st"][quote="Cujo"]I think your right TS and Kristi, I have also wondered why KB seems to "run the show", instead of the father. I mean really, why wouldn't HE be the one holding rallies, being a member on the forum, going to the media? Why is it always his mommy?
It really makes me wonder if she doesn't control everything and everyone around her. Perhaps the hate came from not being able to control Raye, and then when the truth about her son came out and it became known that Raye was expecting, the control became an issue again.
As you can see through the emails, Lance was home during that time frame, but who was writing to Porter, who was meeting him and who was sending him pictures of Kelsey and making deals with him? Where was Lance? He is the father after all, one would think he would have gotten some sort of "vote" on it.
My opinion is that they went after Raye as the ultimate control and punishment for her leaving Lance. Sometimes, mommy enablers "need a wife" to "control the son and take them off of mommy's hands". At the very least, a wife has to deal with it more than mommy, but mommy is still in control of the situation, when she wants to be. Add that with the other variables and you have a vindictive woman that only wants revenge and thrives on hate. We have, in my opinion, seen that trait in MANY aspects of this case. When the control freak doesn't get what she wants or feels she deserves, what does she do? She goes after the person, organization or group of people with the intent of destroying. Like I said, this is my opinion, but I feel strongly about it.[/quote]
I think your post is spot-on target, and I definitely agree! Welcome to the forum, by the way. 
To me, KB comes across as the classic abuser, even if she doesn't physically strike those around her. Not to my knowledge anyway. And judging from what Raye Dawn said about Lance (plus her turning him in to the police), KB RAISED an abuser as well.
It's just much easier for KB to blame her ex DIL (daughter in law) for everything than admit to KB's own failures and multitude of mistakes. Including blaming RD for little Kelsey's tragic death, which RD did NOT commit. The whole "enabling abuse" charge was code for "she should have known," which was pure nonsense. It was a trumped-up "case" from the word go.
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Truth Seeker
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I can tell you where Lance was during that time. He was on the road to another two charges of domestic abuse and rehab. He was charged the summer after the emails were written with two counts of domestic abuse when he drug his girlfriend that he had been stalking out of the house by her hair and pushed her friend. He was sitting in his vehicle when the police arrived and he had the keys in the ignition. He was drunk and his friend who was with him was busted for possession. Need I say more?
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Truth Seeker wrote: | | I can tell you where Lance was during that time. He was on the road to another two charges of domestic abuse and rehab. He was charged the summer after the emails were written with two counts of domestic abuse when he drug his girlfriend that he had been stalking out of the house by her hair and pushed her friend. He was sitting in his vehicle when the police arrived and he had the keys in the ignition. He was drunk and his friend who was with him was busted for possession. Need I say more? |
Is that the time his mom was claiming he was "in Iraq?" I wonder what the police reports say about that. She certainly can't claim THEY were altered, not without looking like a complete idiot. 
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Leen
Joined: 05 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I cant seem to open those links posted in previous posts. Bummer!  .
I would like it very, very, very and very much to have a peek on the KB emails.
And you all, thank you for the warm welcome. 
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Nicks momom
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Leen,
Have you tried the www.freekelseysmom.com link?
Welcome to the forum!
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Leen
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Nicks momom, I am now reading those emails, browsing the thetruthaboutkelsey website and doing my own job at the same time. Clearly they've known each other their whole life but somehow, along the way, someone pissed someone off, or someone got jealous of the other and everything starts to fall apart. Like evryone else, I'm wondering what is it about the Smiths that make KB hates them, Gayla in particular. 
The most shocking truth is how the KPers cant realize that we dont befriended our family member MURDERER! and to help him off the murder charge? NO! 
But then, God knows something else that we dont.
By the way, to whom it may concern, the www.thetruthaboutkelsey.com is nicely done. Good Job!
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Nicks momom
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Leen,
I agree I found the hatred for the Smiths unbelievable. I also think that MP knew exactly who he needed to play here to get away with murder. It worked like a charm. He knew the Smith family would never have agreed to a plea.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Leen wrote: | | Thank you Nicks momom, I am now reading those emails, browsing the thetruthaboutkelsey website and doing my own job at the same time. Clearly they've known each other their whole life but somehow, along the way, someone pissed someone off, or someone got jealous of the other and everything starts to fall apart. Like evryone else, I'm wondering what is it about the Smiths that make KB hates them, Gayla in particular. |
Why she hates them is hard to say why that is; only KB herself would know the answer. But you are correct, their vicious hatred for RD, her mom Gayla, and all of the Smith family and their friends is obvious for all to see. Anyone who can read sees it in their disgusting, venomous posts.
What bothers me much more is that law enforcement officials like Richard Smothermon, the District Attorney, who SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER, was so influenced by Kathie Briggs that it seriously impacted his good prosecutorial judgment. That is something which should bother EVERY citizen of that town, and anywhere that Smothermon's office has jurisdiction.
If he can't do his job effectively, without vicious and spiteful civilians like Kathie Briggs telling him what to do every five minutes, he should RESIGN, and someone else appointed in his place. A strong, confident and most important, BALANCED prosecutor, who won't allow the private and vindictive agendas of private citizens like Kathie Briggs to dictate how he/she does his/her job.
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Nicks momom
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I agree also this is about control or lack of. Amazing to me how quickly persons on this forum, new to the case, see this right off the bat!
Justice 1 said prior that unfortunatly in this case a tragic event took place during this custody battle. Naturally a greiving grandmother is going to garner sympathy, especially one that appears to have fought for the "safety" of Kelsey. There was a bash board on KP for 2 years. Members were free to bash RD and the Smith family. Ive seen some of it and its horrible. In the emails they admit to being addicted to the bashboard. RDS recieved all the public lashing that should have been directed at the one and only person charged with murder and sexual assault of Kelsey, Mike Porter. In my opinion KB was also manipulated by this murderer as he knew exactly who to go to and get away with murder. Notice also he discusses RDs attorney in the emails and his lack of expertise in defending her. MP was planning his strategy from the word go!
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicks momom wrote: | | In my opinion KB was also manipulated by this murderer as he knew exactly who to go to and get away with murder. Notice also he discusses RDs attorney in the emails and his lack of expertise in defending her. MP was planning his strategy from the word go! |
While I can sympathize and have empathy for any grieving relative, my personal sympathy for Kathie Briggs ended when I saw how she was using this tragedy and her little granddaughter's name to push her own personal agenda. That agenda was Briggs' hatred for her ex daughter-in-law, who had stood up for herself against Kathie Briggs from the beginning, and who also had committed the "unforgivable sin" (in Briggs' mind only, of course) of divorcing Lance Briggs and turning him in to the police.
I tend to doubt Kathie Briggs was manipulated in any way by Porter; although it probably serves her very well to give the public impression that she was. IMO, she is an even better manipulator than Porter, since she managed to get everyone in the DA's office to be afraid of her. People who SHOULD HAVE KNOWN better than to allow her to dictate the case to such a ridiculous degree. 
J
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Cujo
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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The emails are discusting, period. I can not grasp anyone, especially a family member, conversing with that man when he was charged with the murder of their granddaughter / neice. They claim to be extracting information from him to help the DA bring justice? How, may I ask, does sending him pictures of Kelsey help bring justice? In my opinion the entire thing smells like a sick set up to gain revenge against Raye and her family. She may claim that there wasn't a gag order in place during that time, however, there was an open investigation and it stands to reason that she would have been called to testify in his trial. I can not help but wonder if those contacts and emails are the very reason he was not brought to trial and in fact given a plea bargan. I also wonder what other informations may have surfaced if he had been brought to trial. Lets face it, we have not heard that side of the story. Not that I would believe a drop of his side.
Think about it, wouldn't it be interesting to see his trial and him and her explaining those emails and cups of tea over a quaint little chat?
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Cujo wrote: | The emails are discusting, period. I can not grasp anyone, especially a family member, conversing with that man when he was charged with the murder of their granddaughter / neice. They claim to be extracting information from him to help the DA bring justice? How, may I ask, does sending him pictures of Kelsey help bring justice? In my opinion the entire thing smells like a sick set up to gain revenge against Raye and her family. She may claim that there wasn't a gag order in place during that time, however, there was an open investigation and it stands to reason that she would have been called to testify in his trial. I can not help but wonder if those contacts and emails are the very reason he was not brought to trial and in fact given a plea bargan. I also wonder what other informations may have surfaced if he had been brought to trial. Lets face it, we have not heard that side of the story. Not that I would believe a drop of his side.
Think about it, wouldn't it be interesting to see his trial and him and her explaining those emails and cups of tea over a quaint little chat? |
"Interesting" is putting it mildly. What I would REALLY like to see is a report that KB and her web site is being formally investigated by state and local law enforcement agencies. Personally, I think that is what KB is getting VERY nervous about. And she and her supporters don't like these articles from the US Observer-OK one little bit. Too much information coming from them that sheds too strong a "searchlight" on her manipulations and string-pulling. Of course, this is all "just my OPINION."
J
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