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JUSTICE1st
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 Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Emails From KB |
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Just to let someone know; I'm having real problems logging on to the "FreeKelseysMom.com" site. It's no one's fault; my computer is old and sometimes gives me problems with certain sites. I have no idea why that happens, and not being a "computer geek," I have no way to fix the problem. 
Are the emails in question located at the other site "Thetruthaboutkelsey.com?" Thank goodness THAT one isn't giving me problems. If they are, I can go look at the emails there. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks in advance. 
J 
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Truth Seeker
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Try updating your java. There is a who's chatting box on the bottom of the site that uses java and if your computer is outdated, that may be the problem.
The hate mail is on my blog at www.seekingthetruthaboutkelsey.com. There are just a few on there. I'm working on getting it all together to mail out to the powers that be.
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Truth Seeker
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Another forum you might try is www.whatiskelseyspurpose.com. They seem to have a lot of posts from Kathie on there that she's tried to delete from her forum and pretend never existed.
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Kristi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| J, I have posted the emails at www.whatiskelseyspurpose.com If you cant see them there still I can email them to you. |
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Truth Seeker wrote: | | Another forum you might try is www.whatiskelseyspurpose.com. They seem to have a lot of posts from Kathie on there that she's tried to delete from her forum and pretend never existed. |
Thanks, TS, I'm going over those posts now. I tried looking at the video "The Briggs' Desperation," but it's not playing very well on my PC. Reading the information just works better for me.
Question, if I register at this forum too, will my AOL status give me any problems with joining? And if KB is at this forum, do you all know what her user name is?
J
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, and I'm sorry to be such a pain. What is the exact thread name for the emails? I have a feeling that emailing them might be faster, but I'll let you know if that has to be done. Again, my apologies.
J
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| JUSTICE1st wrote: |
Thanks, and I'm sorry to be such a pain. What is the exact thread name for the emails? I have a feeling that emailing them might be faster, but I'll let you know if that has to be done. Again, my apologies.
J |
Kristi, I just wanted you to know I finally found the emails page on the site, but thanks for your offer. I've been reading them, and I had to take a break after reading the fourth page. They really are vile and ugly.
I honestly have to wonder what Raye ever did to KB and her family for them to go after Raye AND any members of her family in such a spiteful and vindictive way. I've seen pictures of Raye and Kelsey together, and the happiness on Kelsey's little face when she is with her mom, plus the affection she shows to Raye, says it all. If KB's vicious claims that "RD abused Kelsey" were true, there would be NO WAY that little Kelsey would be so happy in the pictures with her mom. Two year olds can't fake such happiness when it isn't there.
Whatever Raye did to set KB off, it probably was some trivial thing that happened before LB and Raye were even married. Raye might have an idea of what it might have been, but only KB would know for sure. Not that she would be honest enough to say what it was exactly, it would probably make her look bad. Or should I say even worse.
J
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Truth Seeker
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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[/quote] Thanks, TS, I'm going over those posts now. I tried looking at the video "The Briggs' Desperation," but it's not playing very well on my PC. Reading the information just works better for me.
Question, if I register at this forum too, will my AOL status give me any problems with joining? And if KB is at this forum, do you all know what her user name is?
J [/quote]
They don't seem to have the same policies we do. PM Kristi once you're registered and she can contact the owner. I haven't been on that forum in weeks, so I don't know if KB is there or not. There wasn't a trouble maker last time I was there, but that may have changed.
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Kristi
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| We havent really had problems on that forum so far, but not a lot of people know about it quite yet either LOL. Your aol email shouldnt matter there. If you need anything there my name there is Dylansmomma so feel free to ask if you cant find something. |
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Kristi
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Kristi, I just wanted you to know I finally found the emails page on the site, but thanks for your offer. I've been reading them, and I had to take a break after reading the fourth page. They really are vile and ugly.
I honestly have to wonder what Raye ever did to KB and her family for them to go after Raye AND any members of her family in such a spiteful and vindictive way. I've seen pictures of Raye and Kelsey together, and the happiness on Kelsey's little face when she is with her mom, plus the affection she shows to Raye, says it all. If KB's vicious claims that "RD abused Kelsey" were true, there would be NO WAY that little Kelsey would be so happy in the pictures with her mom. Two year olds can't fake such happiness when it isn't there.
Whatever Raye did to set KB off, it probably was some trivial thing that happened before LB and Raye were even married. Raye might have an idea of what it might have been, but only KB would know for sure. Not that she would be honest enough to say what it was exactly, it would probably make her look bad. Or should I say even worse.
J |
The emails are very ugly. I think the general thought on KB's hatred towards the Smiths and Raye Dawn in particular has to do with 2 main things. The Briggs were known to many people in Meeker as the "trash" of the town, the Smiths were much more upstanding and had a better reputation, so I believe there was some jealousy there. Second Lance is a very unstable and violent person, hes had multiple protection orders filed on him by Raye and later by another ex girlfriend, Marie Larson. If you look up his record its 2 pages long and not pretty. When Raye divorced Lance she let the truth be known about him, it was a small town so word got around pretty quick on what kind of man he was. I think that angered Kathie, because after that there was yet another reason for her family to be looked down on. All this is just my opinion of course but from what I understand until the divorce Kathie was fine with Raye.
Also another tidbit I want to throw out there, LOL. After Kelsey was born Lances mother pretty much forced him to get a paternity test, because of their violent past Raye tried to shelter Kelsey from them, Lance told a few people that he hoped "the kid'' wasnt his and he could get on with his life. Unfortunately once the DNA test came back, Raye couldnt stop them from seeing Kelsey and they took her to court again to change Kelseys last name to Briggs. |
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You're right on the "money" J. And money is what I believe has motivated the Briggs from the beginning. They've gotten a $10,000 donation from a single donor on their site and no telling how much more. I think that's why Kathie posted on every site she could find so they could bring in donations. My question is, for what? They've done nothing but hold rallies for up to 20 people at each from what I can see. So where has all that money gone? The attorney general told them at one point to quit taking donations. They had to umbrella under a local child abuse charity and asked donors to earmark their donations on their checks. That's against the law. I called the IRS and they said they can't do that. The child abuse organization denied it was happening and the Briggs kept asking for earmarked donations. Then they applied for a 501C3 so they could get direct donations. I found out if we let the IRS know what their "charity" is up to then they wouldn't be approved. When I asked folks to send the IRS all the nastiness Kathie has done, she announced she was closing KP. That has yet to be done and now they're saying it's not going to happen. They're good at knee-jerking when they realize they've been caught at yet another scheme. Money is the root of all evil -
BTW, I took the java code off the forum at www.thefactsaboutkelsey.com if you want to try to log on.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Truth Seeker wrote: | You're right on the "money" J. And money is what I believe has motivated the Briggs from the beginning. They've gotten a $10,000 donation from a single donor on their site and no telling how much more. I think that's why Kathie posted on every site she could find so they could bring in donations. My question is, for what? They've done nothing but hold rallies for up to 20 people at each from what I can see. So where has all that money gone? The attorney general told them at one point to quit taking donations. They had to umbrella under a local child abuse charity and asked donors to earmark their donations on their checks. That's against the law. I called the IRS and they said they can't do that. The child abuse organization denied it was happening and the Briggs kept asking for earmarked donations. Then they applied for a 501C3 so they could get direct donations. I found out if we let the IRS know what their "charity" is up to then they wouldn't be approved. When I asked folks to send the IRS all the nastiness Kathie has done, she announced she was closing KP. That has yet to be done and now they're saying it's not going to happen. They're good at knee-jerking when they realize they've been caught at yet another scheme. Money is the root of all evil -
BTW, I took the java code off the forum at www.thefactsaboutkelsey.com if you want to try to log on. |
Thanks, TS. It's probably something wrong at my end, but just this morning I tried to post a reply at the "Facts About Kelsey" forum, but got another message, that my "IP is banned; you're not permitted to post comments." Grrrrrrrrrr, very frustrating. 
J
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Weird! Why would your ip be banned? Can you pm it to me so I can check the list of banned ip addresses? You may be in that block because unless you have a static ip (one that remains the same), you could have one your ip provider has regenerated from someone who sent me hate mail.
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Cujo
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I think your right TS and Kristi, I have also wondered why KB seems to "run the show", instead of the father. I mean really, why wouldn't HE be the one holding rallies, being a member on the forum, going to the media? Why is it always his mommy?
It really makes me wonder if she doesn't control everything and everyone around her. Perhaps the hate came from not being able to control Raye, and then when the truth about her son came out and it became known that Raye was expecting, the control became an issue again.
As you can see through the emails, Lance was home during that time frame, but who was writing to Porter, who was meeting him and who was sending him pictures of Kelsey and making deals with him? Where was Lance? He is the father after all, one would think he would have gotten some sort of "vote" on it.
My opinion is that they went after Raye as the ultimate control and punishment for her leaving Lance. Sometimes, mommy enablers "need a wife" to "control the son and take them off of mommy's hands". At the very least, a wife has to deal with it more than mommy, but mommy is still in control of the situation, when she wants to be. Add that with the other variables and you have a vindictive woman that only wants revenge and thrives on hate. We have, in my opinion, seen that trait in MANY aspects of this case. When the control freak doesn't get what she wants or feels she deserves, what does she do? She goes after the person, organization or group of people with the intent of destroying. Like I said, this is my opinion, but I feel strongly about it.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Cujo wrote: | I think your right TS and Kristi, I have also wondered why KB seems to "run the show", instead of the father. I mean really, why wouldn't HE be the one holding rallies, being a member on the forum, going to the media? Why is it always his mommy?
It really makes me wonder if she doesn't control everything and everyone around her. Perhaps the hate came from not being able to control Raye, and then when the truth about her son came out and it became known that Raye was expecting, the control became an issue again.
As you can see through the emails, Lance was home during that time frame, but who was writing to Porter, who was meeting him and who was sending him pictures of Kelsey and making deals with him? Where was Lance? He is the father after all, one would think he would have gotten some sort of "vote" on it.
My opinion is that they went after Raye as the ultimate control and punishment for her leaving Lance. Sometimes, mommy enablers "need a wife" to "control the son and take them off of mommy's hands". At the very least, a wife has to deal with it more than mommy, but mommy is still in control of the situation, when she wants to be. Add that with the other variables and you have a vindictive woman that only wants revenge and thrives on hate. We have, in my opinion, seen that trait in MANY aspects of this case. When the control freak doesn't get what she wants or feels she deserves, what does she do? She goes after the person, organization or group of people with the intent of destroying. Like I said, this is my opinion, but I feel strongly about it. |
I think your post is spot-on target, and I definitely agree! Welcome to the forum, by the way. 
To me, KB comes across as the classic abuser, even if she doesn't physically strike those around her. Not to my knowledge anyway. And judging from what Raye Dawn said about Lance (plus her turning him in to the police), KB RAISED an abuser as well.
It's just much easier for KB to blame her ex DIL (daughter in law) for everything than admit to KB's own failures and multitude of mistakes. Including blaming RD for little Kelsey's tragic death, which RD did NOT commit. The whole "enabling abuse" charge was code for "she should have known," which was pure nonsense. It was a trumped-up "case" from the word go.
J
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