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JUSTICE1st
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 Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: Meeker, OK Discussion Forum |
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For TS and all of us who would like to see BOTH sides of the case presented, I found a community discussion forum that centers on issues in Meeker, OK, and a specific topic thread concerning Raye Dawn's case.
Raye Dawn Smith wanted autopsy, defendant's mother testifies
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/meeker-ok/TDFN0B9UHGB45O2MM
Anyone who isn't a member will have to register to post messages, but the registration is free, and you can use the same user names you do here.
I have already registered, with the same name (JUSTICE1st), and have just started reading the posts on Raye Dawn' case. From what I have read so far, it is heavily slanted in favor of the prosecution. But since it is a PUBLIC message forum, we can also begin presenting the facts on the defense side, whether the pro-prosecution side likes it or not.
The whole idea of the justice process is to present BOTH sides of the story, not just one. Since this forum isn't owned by the local paper or other media (as far as I know anyway), I figure why not present as many facts as you can.
TS, you and those who brought Raye Dawn's case to us at What Say You know a lot more about this case than I do, but I'm working to catch up. When I have finished my "homework," I'll get started with posting too. :-)
J 
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Nicks momom
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Justice 1st, get ready to be attacked. The paternal family would post on their forum to their trusted members, everywhere these public forums were and they would fill up all the comments. You will now see some of what we have been up against.
The paternal grandmother is/was a professional photographer. The photos of the this little girl are what the public is reacting to. Mostly the auto accident bruises and the legs in casts, the very same casts that the paternal grandmother had taken off!
They also crusify Judge Key, and yet he states in his book the paternal family didnt show up for the last hearing (the father never showed) and he had never seen any photos released to the media. No one objected to the return of Kelsey to her mother.
There was also a poll taken "could Raye Dawn recieve a fair sentence in the state of OK ?" and 78% said no!
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicks momom wrote: | Justice 1st, get ready to be attacked. The paternal family would post on their forum to their trusted members, everywhere these public forums were and they would fill up all the comments. You will now see some of what we have been up against.
The paternal grandmother is/was a professional photographer. The photos of the this little girl are what the public is reacting to. Mostly the auto accident bruises and the legs in casts, the very same casts that the paternal grandmother had taken off!
They also crusify Judge Key, and yet he states in his book the paternal family didnt show up for the last hearing (the father never showed) and he had never seen any photos released to the media. No one objected to the return of Kelsey to her mother.
There was also a poll taken "could Raye Dawn recieve a fair sentence in the state of OK ?" and 78% said no! |
Hi Nicksmomom, I seriously doubt that KB and her supporter club could fill all the comments on THIS forum. I've posted at TOPIX before, and I haven't seen any limits yet. The threads go on for as long as there are people to write their views. When people lose interest in a discussion thread, it just stops, there's no limit on how many posts a person can make.
As for being "attacked," I say bring it on, although I want to make sure I know as many of the facts favorable to Raye's case before I go ahead. I don't want to make any foolish mistakes because I didn't do all the reading I could first.
It's only my feeling, but as long as we have the correct facts to counter the lies being told, that is what matters. I just have to do some more catching up to do before feeling confident enough to post. You and TS can start there without me, I'll be sure to join you all later. 
J
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Nicks momom
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Justice 1st,
let me know if I can help you find anything your looking for. I know forensic science could clear up atleast whos lying in this case. Since NO ONE went to trial for murder it wasnt done. Let me know.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicks momom wrote: | Justice 1st,
let me know if I can help you find anything your looking for. I know forensic science could clear up atleast whos lying in this case. Since NO ONE went to trial for murder it wasnt done. Let me know. |
Thanks, NicksMomom, I will. That's one of the first questions I think should be asked, "why didn't Porter face trial for murder, since he was the creep who committed it in the first place?"
Another question I would ask those who are condemning Raye based solely on KB's lies, is what made the grandmother so hostile to Raye from the very beginning? Her whole attitude sounds very vicious and personal, as do her actions toward Raye on the custody issue. I plan to ask what did Raye ever do to KB personally, to warrant such an attitude, which I can only call irrational, after all I have read so far.
J
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Truth Seeker
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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J, On www.thetruthaboutkelsey.com read the emails between Mike Porter and Kathie Briggs and her daughters. Those will give you insight as to why Mike Porter didn't have to go to trial. Kathie befriended him, joked with him, met with him, and never has treated him like a murderer. Try searching his whereabouts. He's completed protected, thanks to Kathie Briggs.
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Nicks momom
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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J1,
Thats a great question and I will ask RD myself for her exact words. She said in an dhs interview when asked what KBs does, that she is KBs job!
My thoughts are, this is about control. The pain and anger in KB started way before RD. When she left LB she (RD)said she knew to much about their family. Their birth father committed suicide on Xmas because KB wouldn let him see his children. Obviously theres more to that story, she then placed her own children in foster care claiming "take them or Ill kill everyone of them" because she stated this in front of a dhs worker it could not be ignored. They were placed for 2 years.
I see this family has having heavy losses. LBs violent record toward woman are more evidence. Not just with RD.
My thoughts are RD was "not allowed" to leave KBs son.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Truth Seeker wrote: | | J, On www.thetruthaboutkelsey.com read the emails between Mike Porter and Kathie Briggs and her daughters. Those will give you insight as to why Mike Porter didn't have to go to trial. Kathie befriended him, joked with him, met with him, and never has treated him like a murderer. Try searching his whereabouts. He's completed protected, thanks to Kathie Briggs. |
TS, I did read some of those, and they creeped me right out, as the saying goes. Why would ANY grandmother be even remotely friendly with the man who killed her granddaughter! That is completely beyond me, and I don't see any rational reason for taking such an action.
J
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JUSTICE1st
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| Nicks momom wrote: | J1,
Thats a great question and I will ask RD myself for her exact words. She said in an dhs interview when asked what KBs does, that she is KBs job!
My thoughts are, this is about control. The pain and anger in KB started way before RD. When she left LB she (RD)said she knew to much about their family. Their birth father committed suicide on Xmas because KB wouldn let him see his children. Obviously theres more to that story, she then placed her own children in foster care claiming "take them or Ill kill everyone of them" because she stated this in front of a dhs worker it could not be ignored. They were placed for 2 years.
I see this family has having heavy losses. LBs violent record toward woman are more evidence. Not just with RD.
My thoughts are RD was "not allowed" to leave KBs son. |
I got the same feeling from reading all of KB's wild diatribes. There are some moms of older sons who literally go off the deep end when their son's wife leaves her son.
J
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Truth Seeker
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And she did. She made a statement on her forum a couple of months ago - "I am no longer obsessed with Raye Dawn. She's in prison." Unfortunately, Kathie is now obsessed with me. I'm her new job. LMAO!!
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Nicks momom
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J1,
Your not far behind me in your search. LOL
RD did say that when KB had custody visits with Kelsey that Kelsey was not with her alot of the time. KB dropped her off mostly to Ashley (LBs 2 wife) I dont think she wanted Kelsey for herself. She wanted Ashley 19yrs to have her. RD said Kelsey did NOT want to go with "mommy Ashley"
They also won a 2 week order of Kelsey and removed her from her regular daycare provider (that Kelsey loved) and left her with Ashleys stepfather to watch. The stress Kelsey was put through makes my hair fall out. Much like Kelseys was!
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Man, this Kathie woman makes my MIL look like blessed Saint! I can't imagine having to deal with a woman like her....
This case is just unbelievable the more I read about it. I will comment more and have some questions later for this thread but all I can think about right now is that Cynthia Sommer is a free woman!!! And if it can happen for Cyndi, it can happen for Raye Dawn too....!!
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| SaberGal wrote: | Man, this Kathie woman makes my MIL look like blessed Saint! I can't imagine having to deal with a woman like her....
This case is just unbelievable the more I read about it. I will comment more and have some questions later for this thread but all I can think about right now is that Cynthia Sommer is a free woman!!! And if it can happen for Cyndi, it can happen for Raye Dawn too....!! |
WHAT? Cindy is FREE now? That's GREAT, but when did this happen? Saber, please tell me you're going to post the details and the full story on the CS thread tonight! And yes, I agree, if it can happen for Cindy, it can happen for Raye too. This is excellent news!
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That's awesome! Yes, I know Raye will be free. The Briggs supporters talk like she'll be in prison for 27 years but I feel it will be less than two.
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JUSTICE1st
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicks momom wrote: | J1,
Your not far behind me in your search. LOL
RD did say that when KB had custody visits with Kelsey that Kelsey was not with her alot of the time. KB dropped her off mostly to Ashley (LBs 2 wife) I dont think she wanted Kelsey for herself. She wanted Ashley 19yrs to have her. RD said Kelsey did NOT want to go with "mommy Ashley"
They also won a 2 week order of Kelsey and removed her from her regular daycare provider (that Kelsey loved) and left her with Ashleys stepfather to watch. The stress Kelsey was put through makes my hair fall out. Much like Kelseys was! |
Absolutely, and it seems to me that Kbriggs and HER family were the ones directly responsible for just about all of little Kelsey's stress. A child that young needs structure and security, not all the drama that KB and her family were putting that child through. From everything I've read, and it's a lot more than I'd known previously, RD was providing as much love, structure and security for Kelsey as possible, given what KB was putting her through.
I'm just shaking my head and wondering how KB could become such an embittered and angry person who developed such an irrational hatred for her DIL. Because the way I see it, THAT is what drove this whole insane custody battle, a vicious personal vendetta against RD, not any kind of personal concern for her granddaughter. "The best interests of the child" didn't seem to register with KB at all.
J
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