Uncensored Justice System Discussion    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Mr. Klug is a KLUTZ!          Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> Mark Jensen View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Mr. Klug is a KLUTZ! I am sorry, but if the prosecution is basing their entire case on the testimony of THIS witness, they're in big trouble. I had to laugh at today's 13th Juror question; "Is this witness's testimony helpful to the prosecution?" Well, here was my response: "Sure....as 'helpful' as the iceberg was to the Titanic!" I emailed it too late, but I didn't hear it until about 15 minutes ago. Oh well. At this point, I'm not buying anything this man has to say. He's already been impeached once that I saw; when Craig Albee read back a statement from Mr. Klug that he had made before the trial when he said he was "flirting" with the woman in question, but on the stand at trial he said he was not. BUSTED! I'm wondering how many other times he made such contradictory statements that I didn't see. His handwritten notes that were shown today were badly written and poorly organized, from the little I could see of them. How could ANYONE make sense of them, especially after several years had gone by? In short, his whole testimony comes across to me that he's making it up as he goes along, with the emphasis on MAKING UP. That's how he comes across to me, but since a majority seem to feel this guy is helping the prosecution, they obviously disagree. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top RayStar Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Klug Ed was an awful witness. However, I believed him. Mark, must have never heard the saying "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS". Mrs. Klug was a much better witness. His notes were mostly scribling. He probably never thought they would be used in a court of law. My biggest problem with Ed was not notifying someone. However, would LE have believed him? In this case in the city where Julie lived maybe LE would have listened, I doubt LE would have gotten invovled otherwise. Perhaps, if Ed had known about the previous happenings at the Jenson house he would have told LE or at least reacted differently. Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Klug RayStar wrote: Ed was an awful witness. However, I believed him. Mark, must have never heard the saying "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS". Mrs. Klug was a much better witness. His notes were mostly scribling. He probably never thought they would be used in a court of law. My biggest problem with Ed was not notifying someone. However, would LE have believed him? In this case in the city where Julie lived maybe LE would have listened, I doubt LE would have gotten invovled otherwise. Perhaps, if Ed had known about the previous happenings at the Jenson house he would have told LE or at least reacted differently. Regarding this "conversation" Klug had with Jensen, I'm a little fuzzy on one detail; was the first conversation he had an online conversation, like an IM or a private chat? Or was it only a verbal conversation that they had at this conference? I missed the specification, so I'm just a bit confused as to the specific details. I also have problems with his not notifying LE immediately after this alleged conversation occurred. Even if LE officials had not believed him, he would have at least had the meeting with them on record. So I still can't believe anything Klug has to say. I just don't find him credible, but I know that's just me. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top RayStar Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Klug I believe it was in person. Is this a small town? I live in Detroit I doubt any LE would have listened. Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Klug RayStar wrote: I believe it was in person. Is this a small town? I live in Detroit I doubt any LE would have listened. Maybe not, but wouldn't they have had to make some kind of record of any conversation with Mr. Klug, if he had gone to them with details of this conversation? I was under the impression that police stations had to make some kind of written record of complaints or requests. My point being, that if he had gone to police with the details of this alleged conversation, and it was on record that he HAD gone, it would have added to his credibility as a witness, for me anyway. I understand the prosecution is now examining Jensen's computer. That may yield some compelling evidence, but we'll have to see. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top RayStar Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Klug The judge is being very careful. I think the defense atty has his hands full. MJ talked and wrote too much just like Melanie M. Really for the life of me, I can't get over the fact that spouses plan spousicide. sp MJ is getting his money's worth with his atty. I am surprised at all of the nit-picking. But he is earning his pay. Gosh I wonder how he (Albee) will question the son of MJ. cross examine LOL I find myself trying to speak correctly legally. LOL Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Klug RayStar wrote: The judge is being very careful. I think the defense atty has his hands full. MJ talked and wrote too much just like Melanie M. Really for the life of me, I can't get over the fact that spouses plan spousicide. sp It may be difficult to believe, but murder of spouses happens a lot, and there are a variety of different ways various ones have pulled it off. The ones who do it in front of witnesses, like Clara Harris who ran over her husband 3 or 4 times with the SUV in front of a ton of witnesses and then tried the "he cheated on me" defense, make it VERY easy for the prosecution. Cases like this one are a lot harder to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top RayStar Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: spouses OH BOY, Clara Harris was one very angry woman. I have mixed feelings concerning inmates. I don't think they are liars because of their crimes. I don't like how Albee was able to cross these inmates about their past involvement in crimes. Especially, when the inmate has not been sentenced. I feel the inmates are jeopardizing themselves. I hope the state has better witnesses. I never want to be a witness. I really don't think you can keep all of your knowledge straight without some video/audio recording. Rapid firing of questions surely don't help one's memory. Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: spouses RayStar wrote: OH BOY, Clara Harris was one very angry woman. I have mixed feelings concerning inmates. I don't think they are liars because of their crimes. I don't like how Albee was able to cross these inmates about their past involvement in crimes. Especially, when the inmate has not been sentenced. I feel the inmates are jeopardizing themselves. I hope the state has better witnesses. I never want to be a witness. I really don't think you can keep all of your knowledge straight without some video/audio recording. Rapid firing of questions surely don't help one's memory. Well, Mr. Thompson, who testified yesterday, was definitely lying when he said Jensen gave him (Thompson) his commissary voluntarily. I don't know of any inmate who would give another ALL of his personal supplies or foods. Inmates have to rely on family members for any canteen or commissary funds, and they guard those canteen supplies when they get them very carefully. This is because they have to make these supplies last for two or even three weeks before the next canteen date comes around. If Jensen "gave" Thompson his commissary, it was because he was intimidated into doing so. A defense attorney's job is to thoroughly cross-examine ALL prosecution witnesses, whether they are inmates or not. Mr. Albee's cross of Thompson was a very thorough one, as it should be. If he had failed to do this, then he would not have done a good job of EFFECTIVE assistance to his client. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top RayStar Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: ALBEE Well, Albee is through nothing like Udell. I like his style however, I feel he is too attacking on the witnesses and dragging his point out. Large amount. Any amount is large to me. I am hoping he has/is not losing the jury. Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: ALBEE RayStar wrote: Well, Albee is through nothing like Udell. I like his style however, I feel he is too attacking on the witnesses and dragging his point out. Large amount. Any amount is large to me. I am hoping he has/is not losing the jury. Maybe some of it is overkill, but I still have no problems with it so far. I do agree that Albee needs to be careful and not get too carried away on minor points. That does tend to get the jury mad at the attorney who's doing it. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top bernie Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Location: wi Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Being as I live in WI I have followed this case for years and came to my opinion long ago. Klug may not be the best witness but i found him believable .....he told a select few of this talk he had with MJ his wife on the same night...someone he told gave the pros. his info and name in which he finally came forward. He lied about flirting if my wife was watching you bet your a@@ I would lie to.lol Seriously, he is just a small piece to the overall puzzle. The timeline is important and what sold me on guilt .......JJ could not have known Kellys former lovers name in 1998 3 to 4 years before Mark even learned of it so he claims. The importance lays in the fact that who ever looked up JJJ was also looking up poisons. It was clear to me Kelly lied on the stand about when her and Mark had the former lover convo. _________________ Truth, in the matter of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived. Oscar Wilde Back to top NoJustice_NoPeace Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 37 Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: This case is very odd. _________________ What if the "hokey pokey" really is what it's all about? Back to top bernie Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Location: wi Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: banned member Funny video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfgn2lOSx6M _________________ Truth, in the matter of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived. 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