Uncensored Justice System Discussion    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  New TNT Program, "Raising The Bar" Goto page 1, 2  Next          Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> Open Discussion View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: New TNT Program, "Raising The Bar" I don't know if anyone has heard of this upcoming TNT program that will finally focus on the important work of criminal defense attorneys. I had seen clips of this new show "Raising The Bar," but wasn't exactly sure what it would be about until I heard Jami Floyd's "Last Word" today. Now I'm really looking forward to seeing the first program, although I hate it that I'll have to wait about four weeks to see it. I just hope it will cover some good past cases, including some of the ones where defendants were wrongfully convicted, then exonerated. We can only hope that this program will help bring back what has been missing for far too long; the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty. I say this kind of program is long overdue. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: There are now only three more nights to go until the new TNT program RAISING THE BAR goes on air Monday, September 1. I'm really forward to seeing this one. I'm tired of seeing criminal defense attorneys always being portrayed as "the enemy." We certainly wouldn't have that view if WE or someone we loved or considered a friend was charged with a crime, especially when we knew that person to be innocent. A good criminal defense attorney who fights zealously for his or her client is what keeps the system honest, and shouldn't be demonized just because they make prosecutors' jobs harder. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Well, I am greatly encouraged after the premiere of this new program! I loved the points Mark-Paul Gosselar's (yikes, I hope I spelled his name correctly) character made about how wrongful convictions affect not only the defendants, but the entire system as a whole. The only slight criticism I have, and I know I'm quibbling here, is that I would have liked to see a lot less of who's sleeping with whom, and more of the law and the legal arguments on each side of the case. Then again, maybe the out-of-courtroom relationships play more of a part than I thought. For example, if there's trouble lurking in any relationships of a prosecutor, judge or even a defense attorney, be that a personal relationship or a working one, it's very possible that bad rulings can easily result. As much as those relationships should be kept OUT of court proceedings, people are not machines, and sometimes a personal relationship or a personal problem can be weighing heavily on the mind of an official, and when it does, an unjust outcome can be the result. Minor criticisms aside, I really enjoyed this new program, and look forward to seeing a lot more. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: I couldn't agree more, J! It looks like our posts from yesterday were lost - servers were being moved. Sorry about that.... I agree - I could care less about the romances on the show except that I found it very interesting that the relationship was between a PD and the prosecutor - that happens in real life and I am glad to see that it wasn't overlooked in the program. I wish this show was on one of the major networks because I think people really need to see this...thanks so much for the recommendation and heads up about it! ETA: How about the lead DA's attitude when he became aware that the man WAS innocent? "Yeah, well....I'm sure he's done something" _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: SaberGal wrote: I couldn't agree more, J! It looks like our posts from yesterday were lost - ETA: How about the lead DA's attitude when he became aware that the man WAS innocent? "Yeah, well....I'm sure he's done something" Yep, I took note of that too! I lost count of how many times I read that same nonsense on the other IN SESSION board. Probably a good thing I can't post there anymore; I'd get too tempted to write something I couldn't take back. Some of those posts really made me "blow my stack." J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Since the posts from 9/1 were lost, I'll re-post the information on RAISE THE BAR: Monday evenings, TNT at 10:00pm (Eastern) J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: JUSTICE1st wrote: SaberGal wrote: I couldn't agree more, J! It looks like our posts from yesterday were lost - ETA: How about the lead DA's attitude when he became aware that the man WAS innocent? "Yeah, well....I'm sure he's done something" Yep, I took note of that too! I lost count of how many times I read that same nonsense on the other IN SESSION board. Probably a good thing I can't post there anymore; I'd get too tempted to write something I couldn't take back. Some of those posts really made me "blow my stack." J I tell you, sometimes it can get so discouraging when I read what people write! But there is too much at stake to give up and I am greatly encouraged with this new program! _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: SaberGal wrote: JUSTICE1st wrote: SaberGal wrote: I couldn't agree more, J! It looks like our posts from yesterday were lost - ETA: How about the lead DA's attitude when he became aware that the man WAS innocent? "Yeah, well....I'm sure he's done something" Yep, I took note of that too! I lost count of how many times I read that same nonsense on the other IN SESSION board. Probably a good thing I can't post there anymore; I'd get too tempted to write something I couldn't take back. Some of those posts really made me "blow my stack." J I tell you, sometimes it can get so discouraging when I read what people write! But there is too much at stake to give up and I am greatly encouraged with this new program! I'm greatly encouraged too, and I was even more impressed by what Stephen Bochco said in one of the commercial clips of the program. I believe (I could have heard wrong) he made a reference to the INJUSTICE SYSTEM! Woohoo! Accuracy at last! I know police officers and prosecutors don't appreciate that term, but too bad! If they want to change that perception, they'll have to make many positive changes in order to make real justice more accessible for everyone. At this point, it is still a very grim fact that only the rich can afford the best legal counsel, and that is something that MUST be changed. And that is only ONE of the many changes that have to be made. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Love it... I hope it stays around for a while but from the looks of TNT's new series, they are doing pretty good. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Pia wrote: Love it... I hope it stays around for a while but from the looks of TNT's new series, they are doing pretty good. It's funny that you mention that because I thought the same thing while watching last night's show - that TNT has quite a few original series that have done really well. I sure hope this one follows suite. I noticed last night that they introduced a new element into the program of not just the wrongfully accused but the over-charged as well - the idea that what used to be a "schoolyard" fight is now a felony assault (with 'boots'), and no longer are these kids given detention or even handled as juveniles but will have adult felony records for the rest of their lives...I am glad this is being addressed as well. It certainly reminded me of the "Criminalization of America" article. And again....last night, reiterating that for many prosecutors it's not about finding the truth but about winning a case - right on!!! I can't wait for more! _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Last nights show reminded me of so many cases I have followed or read about this past year. Like you, I was thinking, way to go! It is about time. One example is the trial going on right now on In Session...The Mclean case. That should be a manslaughter, not first degree murder. They should have pled it out that way in the first place. Can we say overzealous? _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Pia wrote: Last nights show reminded me of so many cases I have followed or read about this past year. Like you, I was thinking, way to go! It is about time. One example is the trial going on right now on In Session...The Mclean case. That should be a manslaughter, not first degree murder. They should have pled it out that way in the first place. Can we say overzealous? Pia, I totally agree on that! I thought first degree murder was way over the top, manslaughter was far more appropriate in this case. Yes, you CAN say overzealous, because it's accurate, and yes, it should have been a simple plea to that charge. Personally, I think local politics was playing its part here. As to what I'd said about the Steven Bochco quote, I was mistaken about his using the term "injustice system." What he DID refer to was the "dysfunction of the justice system," which isn't too far off, however. Oh well, it isn't the first time I heard something wrong, and it won't be the last. At least I wasn't totally off base. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: SaberGal wrote: Pia wrote: Love it... I hope it stays around for a while but from the looks of TNT's new series, they are doing pretty good. It's funny that you mention that because I thought the same thing while watching last night's show - that TNT has quite a few original series that have done really well. I sure hope this one follows suite. I noticed last night that they introduced a new element into the program of not just the wrongfully accused but the over-charged as well - the idea that what used to be a "schoolyard" fight is now a felony assault (with 'boots'), and no longer are these kids given detention or even handled as juveniles but will have adult felony records for the rest of their lives...I am glad this is being addressed as well. It certainly reminded me of the "Criminalization of America" article. And again....last night, reiterating that for many prosecutors it's not about finding the truth but about winning a case - right on!!! I can't wait for more! Neither can I, and I was delighted to see that reference too. Because it's TRUE, it's ALL about winning, and advancing political careers in many cases. The INjustice system has become a very dangerous place to be caught in, even if a person is guilty of a lesser offense. Some of these prosecutors have no problem bumping a lesser offense into a much more heinous one, even when the FACTS don't support it. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: How gutsy is Bochco? He even took on the cockiness and arrogance of (some) 'rent-a-cops' in last nights episode! He's holding nothing back in this new series and I love it! _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: SaberGal wrote: How gutsy is Bochco? He even took on the cockiness and arrogance of (some) 'rent-a-cops' in last nights episode! He's holding nothing back in this new series and I love it! Yep, I saw that too, and had the same reaction you did! I'm really looking forward to next week's episode, where Jerry gets into it with a detective. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> Open Discussion All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Announcements----------------Announcements Open Discussion----------------Open Discussion Legal Cases----------------Jude LaCour CaseCasey Anthony CaseRyan Ferguson CaseSears Tower BombingAnthony PellicanoCynthia SommerO. J. 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