Uncensored Justice System Discussion    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  No Bail Goto page 1, 2  Next          Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> Cynthia Sommer View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: No Bail For anyone following Cindy's case....Judge Deddeh has decided against granting Cindy bail. Also he will not be the judge on the new trial. Thanks for the invite... _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: No Bail Pia wrote: For anyone following Cindy's case....Judge Deddeh has decided against granting Cindy bail. Also he will not be the judge on the new trial. Thanks for the invite... Thanks for the info Pia and for posting! I'm very disappointed Cindy didn't get bail but happy Deddeh won't be presiding over the next trial. _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top NoJustice_NoPeace Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 37 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Actually the way I understand it, it is California's law. First degree with special circumstance, in Cindy's case, two/poisoning and insurance, there is no bail. As much as I would love to lay this one at Laura Gunn's door, this time we can't... :wink: _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Pia wrote: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Actually the way I understand it, it is California's law. First degree with special circumstance, in Cindy's case, two/poisoning and insurance, there is no bail. As much as I would love to lay this one at Laura Gunn's door, this time we can't... :wink: Hi Everyone! Thank you for the invite, and it is great that this new forum has been created. I love the new categories that have been added to this forum, especially law enforcement misconduct. Okay, enough, rambling! lol Back to CS. While I'm disappointed that she didn't get bail, I can't say I was too surprised, considering the laws governing "special circumstances" murder cases. But didn't the prosecution argue for "specials" in this case? To me, that does put the responsibility at LG's door, although there's nothing that can legally be done about it. Nuts, it's 9:00am my time (I'm on the east coast), and I have to get some chores done. Don't you hate it when the mundane stuff, like grocery shopping, etc. interferes with the philosophical? I sure do, but since no one's going to do it for me, I'll have to sign off for now. Will be back later today, or this evening at the latest. Kudos to all of you who took the time and hard work to create this wonderful forum, and thank you for inviting me! I promise to do my best to be a thoughtful contributor. J 8) _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top ForensicGuy Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 44 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: JUSTICE1st wrote: Pia wrote: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Actually the way I understand it, it is California's law. First degree with special circumstance, in Cindy's case, two/poisoning and insurance, there is no bail. As much as I would love to lay this one at Laura Gunn's door, this time we can't... :wink: Hi Everyone! Thank you for the invite, and it is great that this new forum has been created. I love the new categories that have been added to this forum, especially law enforcement misconduct. Okay, enough, rambling! lol Back to CS. While I'm disappointed that she didn't get bail, I can't say I was too surprised, considering the laws governing "special circumstances" murder cases. But didn't the prosecution argue for "specials" in this case? To me, that does put the responsibility at LG's door, although there's nothing that can legally be done about it. Nuts, it's 9:00am my time (I'm on the east coast), and I have to get some chores done. Don't you hate it when the mundane stuff, like grocery shopping, etc. interferes with the philosophical? I sure do, but since no one's going to do it for me, I'll have to sign off for now. Will be back later today, or this evening at the latest. Kudos to all of you who took the time and hard work to create this wonderful forum, and thank you for inviting me! I promise to do my best to be a thoughtful contributor. J 8) I know they say that there are "Special Circumstances" in Cynthia's case which mean she shouldn't be granted bail. Following that argument, wouldn't the fact that she was granted a new trail be a "Special Circumstance" in her favor? If we were operating in a fair justice system, this would be taken into consideration and she would be granted bail. This "Special Circumstance" which resulted in the granting of a new trial implies that there was something fundamentally wrong with the first one. If there is something so fundamentally wrong with the first one, then they must believe that she could be found innocent by a jury of her peers. I know the idea of our justice system is allegedly "innocent until proven guilty" but we all know that that is just a farce these days. Therefore, if they believe that she might be found innocent by a jury of her peers, why wouldn't they grant the poor woman some minor relief at this point? The Justice System is no longer about people. It's about the lowest common denominator, numbers. If you are in the system, you are just a number. You are not a human being anymore. As much as I don't like that they are trying to remove God from as much government as possible. It's apparent to me that He was removed long ago even though His name is still used. Back to top NoJustice_NoPeace Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 37 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Pia wrote: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Actually the way I understand it, it is California's law. First degree with special circumstance, in Cindy's case, two/poisoning and insurance, there is no bail. As much as I would love to lay this one at Laura Gunn's door, this time we can't... :wink: I should have prefaced my statment about the circumstances being in LG's head by saying I think the entire murder was in her head. No way do I think they had any proof of murder and I think the first cause of death was correct. I am very surprised they got a conviction the first time and feel it was a travesty of justice that occurs too often. _________________ What if the "hokey pokey" really is what it's all about? Back to top Kara Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 4 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: I didn't follow the first trial but I guess if a new trial was ordered there must have been something wrong with it. My interest in trials is fairly new but isn't it rare that someone gets a new trial? _________________ Kara Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: Pia wrote: NoJustice_NoPeace wrote: It's a shame she's not out on bail right now if you ask me. Was it because of the supposed "special" circumstances? Those circumstances are in Laura Gunn's head. Actually the way I understand it, it is California's law. First degree with special circumstance, in Cindy's case, two/poisoning and insurance, there is no bail. As much as I would love to lay this one at Laura Gunn's door, this time we can't... :wink: I should have prefaced my statment about the circumstances being in LG's head by saying I think the entire murder was in her head. No way do I think they had any proof of murder and I think the first cause of death was correct. I am very surprised they got a conviction the first time and feel it was a travesty of justice that occurs too often. I apologize. I misunderstood what you were saying... _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top NoJustice_NoPeace Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 37 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: Pia wrote: I apologize. I misunderstood what you were saying... No need to apologize....i wasn't very clear 8) _________________ What if the "hokey pokey" really is what it's all about? Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Kara wrote: I didn't follow the first trial but I guess if a new trial was ordered there must have been something wrong with it. My interest in trials is fairly new but isn't it rare that someone gets a new trial? In short, yes...it's extremely rare that a new trial is granted. _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: SaberGal wrote: Kara wrote: I didn't follow the first trial but I guess if a new trial was ordered there must have been something wrong with it. My interest in trials is fairly new but isn't it rare that someone gets a new trial? In short, yes...it's extremely rare that a new trial is granted. True, and IMO, this is a travesty in itself, when it has been shown that the so-called "evidence" that convicted the defendant the first time was faulty, misleading, or just plain dishonest. While dishonesty was not a factor in this case that I could see, it has been a factor in many other cases. Not just in CA, but nationwide. People with the GUPI (guilty until proven innocent) mindset love to say things like "99.9% of the time, the prosecution is correct," but when you break that percentage down in numbers of the PEOPLE who are being wrongfully convicted, it becomes a frightening picture. Prosecutors who have the "win at all costs" attitude often give in to the temptation to disregard the rules of law and due process to "win" a case. And they will NEVER, EVER, admit they made a terrible mistake. When that happens, HUMAN lives are destroyed, not only those of the wrongfully convicted people, but the lives of their families as well. Why do some of these prosecutors refuse to admit harmful error? Because their careers and future reputations are at risk, that's why. Maybe that should cause a major readjustment in their thinking. That maybe they should have a case based on hard, ascertainable FACTS and EVIDENCE which points to a defendants guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before bringing it to trial. Then prosecutors wouldn't look like incompetent idiots at best and arrogant, petty dictators at worst. J 8) _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: That is the worst part about it. Making mistakes is one thing but knowing that you made them and still keeping people locked up is the worst of all. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Pia wrote: That is the worst part about it. Making mistakes is one thing but knowing that you made them and still keeping people locked up is the worst of all. This is so true, Pia. I don't expect them to be perfect but if they make a mistake, know they made it and don't do anything to correct it...well...there should be some punishment for that I think. Someone posted (I think over at CTV but not sure which forum) about Harry Connick Sr - as a prosecutor he ended up sending an innocent person to prison. After the guy was exonerated and freed (no thanks to Sr.) someone asked Connick Sr if he was sorry or to apologize or something. He refused and said something to the effect, "he would have committed a crime if he hadn't been locked up" or something like that. I can't remember who posted this and in fairness I haven't checked out the story myself so this might NOT have happened. But I think that's the attitude of many of these rogue prosecutors. I'm not sure why...maybe too many years on the job.... _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top crimewriter Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 4 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: The special circumstances is just about anything today, it seems. I don't believe the CA voters had that in mind, either. But.....I figure this judge is already red-faced about this situation, so he would not risk letting her out of jail. Maybe the next judge will see it differently and they can revisit this. 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