Uncensored Justice System Discussion    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  OJ on America Justice          Uncensored Justice System Discussion Forum Index -> O. J. Simpson View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: OJ on America Justice Today on A & E "Why OJ Won”... It is on right now but will air again at 4 PM eastern. For 2 hours.... This reminds me of why I think the jury did exactly what they should have. Not because I think he is innocent but because the defense put enough reasonable doubt for them. Watching some of the things the state and LE did, I believe the jury had no choice. Now after all of these years and everything I have discovered this past year, even though I think he did it, my mind has to ask...Did he? Another example of LE, prosecutors, state crime lab experts AND Judge Ito not doing their jobs correctly. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top JUSTICE1st Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: OJ on America Justice Pia wrote: Today on A & E "Why OJ Won”... It is on right now but will air again at 4 PM eastern. For 2 hours.... This reminds me of why I think the jury did exactly what they should have. Not because I think he is innocent but because the defense put enough reasonable doubt for them. Watching some of the things the state and LE did, I believe the jury had no choice. Now after all of these years and everything I have discovered this past year, even though I think he did it, my mind has to ask...Did he? Another example of LE, prosecutors, state crime lab experts AND Judge Ito not doing their jobs correctly. Personally, I tend to think in this case, OJ did do it, although I also believe the jury made the right decision. Simply put, the state did NOT meet its constitutionally-required burden of PROOF, and proof is still what is required to get a conviction, especially in a murder case. You're right, the state made a mountain of foolish mistakes, especially the planting of the glove by Det. Fuhrman. Even if a defendant turns out to be guilty, law enforcement officials must remain duty-bound to honor the presumption of innocence and due process of law. We've seen the terrible miscarriages of justice that occur to the truly innocent when they don't. J _________________ "We must remember, always, that accusation is not proof, and conviction depends on evidence and due process of law." EDWARD R. MURROW, 1954 Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: OJ on America Justice JUSTICE1st wrote: Pia wrote: Today on A & E "Why OJ Won”... It is on right now but will air again at 4 PM eastern. For 2 hours.... This reminds me of why I think the jury did exactly what they should have. Not because I think he is innocent but because the defense put enough reasonable doubt for them. Watching some of the things the state and LE did, I believe the jury had no choice. Now after all of these years and everything I have discovered this past year, even though I think he did it, my mind has to ask...Did he? Another example of LE, prosecutors, state crime lab experts AND Judge Ito not doing their jobs correctly. Personally, I tend to think in this case, OJ did do it, although I also believe the jury made the right decision. Simply put, the state did NOT meet its constitutionally-required burden of PROOF, and proof is still what is required to get a conviction, especially in a murder case. You're right, the state made a mountain of foolish mistakes, especially the planting of the glove by Det. Fuhrman. Even if a defendant turns out to be guilty, law enforcement officials must remain duty-bound to honor the presumption of innocence and due process of law. We've seen the terrible miscarriages of justice that occur to the truly innocent when they don't. J I have to ask...do you think Fuhrman planted the glove? Besides the questions with that, with Vannatter (sp?) carrying a blood vile around...not just carrying it around but taking it from the crime scene to OJ's house...that had to be one of the most stupid things I have seen. I honestly do not think the jury (after hearing some of them speak) would have ignored the glove if Fuhrman had not lied on the stand. After hearing him swear to something that he knew was not true, how could they believe anything he said? I have never thought that any of them planted anything (never really thought about it until today) but I knew the way they handled this from the very beginning was wrong. Without Fung, his assistant, Fuhrman, and everything else, I would have still voted not guilty just on that vile of blood alone. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top Tam5115 Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 46 Location: Wisconsin Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: OJ on America Justice Pia wrote: Today on A & E "Why OJ Won”... It is on right now but will air again at 4 PM eastern. For 2 hours.... This reminds me of why I think the jury did exactly what they should have. Not because I think he is innocent but because the defense put enough reasonable doubt for them. Watching some of the things the state and LE did, I believe the jury had no choice. Now after all of these years and everything I have discovered this past year, even though I think he did it, my mind has to ask...Did he? Another example of LE, prosecutors, state crime lab experts AND Judge Ito not doing their jobs correctly. I've spent years studying this case. There's no doubt he's guilty, and the easiest way to determine that is by the blood drops to the left of the bruno magli prints. Simpson himself said that he hadn't been there for weeks and did not bleed there when he was. The drops could not have been planted because there was NO EDTA in them and the DNA had the degradation one would expect to see in fresh blood left outdoors. Had they been planted the DNA would have been screaming forth. There's only one conclusion then, He was there that night and he bled there that night. easy peasy. However, there was probably an accomplice. The NG verdict is the fault of the prosecution alone. Well, a shady Scheck and his ridiculous garbage in garbage out theory may have contributed. Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: I realized something after watching this again this afternoon....Vannatter didn't take the blood to the crime scene. Or at least there is no record of that. I was under the impression that he did. What he did was take it from the lab and then went to OJ's house instead of taking it directly into the evidence locker or whatever they call it. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: OJ on America Justice Tam5115 wrote: Pia wrote: Today on A & E "Why OJ Won”... It is on right now but will air again at 4 PM eastern. For 2 hours.... This reminds me of why I think the jury did exactly what they should have. Not because I think he is innocent but because the defense put enough reasonable doubt for them. Watching some of the things the state and LE did, I believe the jury had no choice. Now after all of these years and everything I have discovered this past year, even though I think he did it, my mind has to ask...Did he? Another example of LE, prosecutors, state crime lab experts AND Judge Ito not doing their jobs correctly. I've spent years studying this case. There's no doubt he's guilty, and the easiest way to determine that is by the blood drops to the left of the bruno magli prints. Simpson himself said that he hadn't been there for weeks and did not bleed there when he was. The drops could not have been planted because there was NO EDTA in them and the DNA had the degradation one would expect to see in fresh blood left outdoors. Had they been planted the DNA would have been screaming forth. There's only one conclusion then, He was there that night and he bled there that night. easy peasy. However, there was probably an accomplice. The NG verdict is the fault of the prosecution alone. Well, a shady Scheck and his ridiculous garbage in garbage out theory may have contributed. Yup...he did it. Shame on the DA for hiding the accomplice. _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. (Insert rolly eye emoticon here) Back to top Pia Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 208 Location: www.freecynthia.com Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: I didn't get hour-to-hour coverage as most did because I was living in Japan at the time so I missed a lot of it... Can I ask what makes you think there was an accomplice? Not trying to argue...just curious. _________________ Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice. Alexander Solzhenitsyn Back to top SaberGal Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Oregon Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Pia wrote: I didn't get hour-to-hour coverage as most did because I was living in Japan at the time so I missed a lot of it... Can I ask what makes you think there was an accomplice? Not trying to argue...just curious. I didn't watch it hour to hour either, because I was working two jobs at the time so my opinion was formed based on the nightly news. My opinion when the trial ended was that what happened on 6/12/94 was exactly as presented by the State and I believed the cops/LADA did nothing wrong. It has only been in the last couple of years that my mind has changed about it.... One of the biggest issues I have is the time line. I just don't think it possible that one person can commit such a brutal and bloody crime and leave such relatively little evidence of it in the time suggested. At the preliminary hearing, the ME testified that he believed two knives were used to commit the murders. IIRC, he was not allowed to testify at trial and the one that did testify (who DID NOT preform the autopsy's) testified that only one knife was used. There is also record of a phone call to the Wilshire station asking about a double homicide in Brentwood (double homicide's didn't happen in Brentwood) - This caller was a female and was posing as a news reporter. The problem is that the bodies had not been discovered at the time of the call and weren't discovered until something like two hours later. And if this had been a legitimate reporter, they would have known to call the press room. Plus, the defense always maintained that the crime was committed by at least two people (of course, they did not suggest that OJ was one of them). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFngYNF8eb8 Here's another interesting link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRt0_gG3Q4 _________________ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." - E. Burke __________________________________________ That's OK. I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. 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