Uncensored Justice System Discussion

JUSTICE1st · Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA

Did anyone else who saw all or part of the Cynthia Sommer trial get a weird feeling of being back in the Salem Witch Trial era, where there was NO hard scientific evidence that a crime even occurred, yet an innocent person was being accused? I have to say I did.

I'd done quite a lot of reading into a more recent witch hunt in American history, the "child molestation ring" witch hunts in Bakersfield, CA where hundreds of innocent people were arrested for "crimes" that as it turned out, NEVER took place! And because of that, I also did some additional research on the Salem Witch Trials of 1692, which is when they began.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/salem.htm

About 20 innocent persons were falsely accused, tried in highly biased and ignorant "courts," and then wrongly executed for being "witches" based on so-called "evidence" that would have been laughable if it hadn't been at the expense of the 20 innocent people executed for committing NO crimes at all.

I got the same feeling when watching parts of the CS trial, especially when the prosecutor Laura Gunn hammered on totally irrelevant and misleading "evidence" like CS's insurance policy, the boob job, and other nonsensical stuff. I kept asking out loud at times, "THAT is your evidence? You have GOT to be kidding!" Unfortunately, LG wasn't kidding, and what's worse, she conned the jury into believing it WAS evidence.

Thankfully, the judge finally realized a miscarriage of justice had occurred, and set aside the verdict. But if LG is prosecuting the next trial, I have to wonder if she's going to use the same tricks she used to get CS convicted the first time. We can only hope that CS new attorney Alan Bloom will do everything in his power to prevent that "behavior evidence" from coming in, and that the new judge will be more careful about what is presented by the prosecution as evidence.

J Cool

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RayStar · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI

J1st I feel the McCowan trial was a mess. Oops, that was in MA. Yes, LG IMO was making a personal statement. Perhaps, LG was testing the waters but this is a death sentence for CS. No, I think she thought she had a real charge. Hopefully, LG will decide to drop the charges. No that won't happen that would be admitting to a failure. However, if the lab test are found to be inaccurate the second time around maybe the charges will be dropped for a lack of evidence. Young people strain your patience. ie==SIX GRANDS four are TEENAGERS!!!!!! Grandma aka ATM LOL

NoJustice_NoPeace · Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 37

You are kind in putting it as a witch trial. I will need to brush up on the Bakersfield case - I recall seeing a movie and reading about it but need to brush up before discussion it. I do remember having the same feeling about it as the CS case.
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JUSTICE1st · Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA

RayStar · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Detroit, MI

Heard an old clip on public radio last week about McCarthey. I guess we have not learned our lessons. Accusations about communism back then caused a lot of pain for many people. We must be very careful in charging people of wrong doing.

JUSTICE1st · Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA

Pia · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

I think a lot of the time, police just go by their gut feeling and whomever it is their gut has decided from the beginning is who they focus on. With the LE that is not particularly good at what they do, they stay with that person and in some cases, inventing their own evidence as they go along.

In Cindy’s case, if you go by what Mark Ridley said on 48 Hours, he thought things were fishy from the beginning. Of course he must not have written down anything or shared this information with anyone else until at least 1 ½ years later...but even if the arsenic had been there (I will never believe it was) why was Cindy the only person investigated? Look at other incidents we have seen or read about where a student puts something in the teachers coffee, a co-worker does something to someone’s drink or food....Many people did have access to Todd on “that particular day”. Not just on purpose either. They never did anything about the eggroll Todd told doctors he thought had made him sick. They never really did any investigation of the dumpsite Todd visited. I don’t care that neither of the other two became sick. Todd did. We don’t know exactly what he did or what he touched while he was there. Focusing on Cindy and Cindy only was wrong....not to mention that there was no arsenic to begin with... Clipeste din ochi

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JUSTICE1st · Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 715 Location: USA

Pia · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject:

They had a hearing today. I think it was to confirm dates and such but I am not sure what happened yet.

There will probably be an update on Cindy's site sometime today or this evening.
http://www.readybb.com/cindysommer/index.php
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